Hey Mike I have been using forge before every swim workout. But then now i have seen more HMB studies and visited . They recommend HMB at least 30-45 minutes before your training session while yours say 10-15 min. Some sites also suggest that HMB be taken in several doses throughout the day. What is the ideal timing? Also im bulking atm and you wouldnt suggest people to take forge while bulking but isnt HMB more anti catabolic than insulin? Also would it be good to take whey+ HMB before workout because leucine is more anabolic than HMB but HMB is more anti catabolic than leucine so i think they blend well.